When the mantri met the mystic

What happens when a neta from the cut-throat international of politics comes face to face with a man who calls himself a 'yogi' and a 'mystic'? A volley of questions, a combat of wits, a debate that veers between realms of religious quest and materialistic interests — that's what! When MP Kalvakuntla Kavita was once in dialog with Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev in Hyderabad on Monday, she went all out and picked the mystic's brains on the whole lot from feminism and power of the female to success mantras and religious issues. The end result was once a laughter riot peppered with pearls of knowledge. Excerpts.
Sadhguruji, since you're a mystic, I wish to ask you — can you do a little magic as neatly?

(laughs) Unfortunately, human beings nowadays are so beaten with the drama of their very own mind, that they're utterly missing the magic of life. See this — (pointing to a bouquet of flora) Mud has remodeled into flora; filth has grow to be fragrance. Isn't this magic? If magic is about me pulling out pigeons from my pocket at this time, then you're going to have two birds and I'll simply can have a pocket full of s**t!
The better magic I was hoping for was once that it's good to do one thing where males in our society exchange their viewpoint against girls forever...
Ah, that's why the government is investment an ISRO undertaking for space shuttle to Mars. So, we will be able to soon continue to exist other planets (laughs)! See, ours was once never a tradition where girls were exploited; we never sought after our girls to stick hidden, covered up, in the back of the scenes. Unfortunately, one thousand years of invasions have changed a lot of issues. When anyone invades you, they do not simply come after your land. They also come after your other halves, daughters. I'm not pronouncing the whole lot is perfect now. But however, as a country, we are simply 70 years previous. That way we are simply the second post-independence era. We're already on our strategy to developing a level enjoying box for both sexes to a big extent. We're getting there, let's now not soar the gun but. While we are at that, let me remind you that homo sapiens are a single species; let's now not act like men and women belong to other species.

So mainly, there is no magic, it is just logic that we should focal point on?
(Laughs) See, this tradition all the time understood that solid logic was once wanted for sustained magic...
Talking of tradition, we have now grown up on tales from the Ramayana and Mahabharata where we see a Sita or a Draupadi being treated the way they were treated by means of their males. This has had an enormous have an effect on at the mindsets of Indian males... How do you suggest we carry up our sons when those are the tales they listen growing up?

Let me ask the women sitting here —Suppose you were living in Uttar Pradesh 5,000 years ago, and a man got here from Sri Lanka and kidnapped you. What roughly a husband would you want? anyone who walked all of the strategy to Sri Lanka in search of you? Or anyone who discovered an answer in the community? (laughs) That man walked all that approach, waged a battle, burnt a city down to carry his wife back. You name that unhealthy?

But he also made her go through the agnipariksha... he did not agree with her...!
See, we are taking this too literally. Agnipariksha way some roughly a take a look at. He is the ruler, everyone seems as much as him as an idol. No subject what, he has to do the suitable thing. She is pregnant with his sons, and you understand how necessary sons are to a king. but, he sends his wife away to the jungle; otherwise there could be disruption within the country. you suppose this is damaging? I think we should have presidents and top ministers like that who'd do what is proper for the rustic, for the folks it doesn't matter what is at stake in my opinion.

Cut to fashionable context, can you percentage some management secrets and techniques for girls of nowadays who wish to go out on this planet and make a mark?
I think we are stretching the gender too much. whether or not anyone is a man or a lady is not my worry. What anyone's got inside of their pants, what is my business with it? These issues are relevant most effective in toilets and bedrooms. They shouldn't be relevant anywhere else, because too much id with gender way you might be figuring out with body parts. If you will have to identify with a body section, then why reproductive organs? no less than select the mind. We are making too much out of this. By this, both genders will suffer.

True, but the international doesn't suppose such as you. Equal alternatives are nonetheless hard to come back by means of for us girls...
See, if the lads sitting here wish to have a toddler, can they? No. So should they forever sit down and bitch that they don't have equal opportunity? Biologically we are designed to fulfil sure aspects of nature. Why is one thing superior, every other inferior? Simply because now we have made economic process without equal process. This is rubbish! Success too is graded relying on how much cash anyone makes! We say a a success girl should be like a man. that's a crisis! We are killing the female totally. It's necessary that we have feminine and masculine in equal measure. If now not, the market place will input your own home. This is going on within the western societies already. Even before they get married, they make a contract to come to a decision who will get what once they get divorced! How much ugliness do you want to your lifestyles?

But nowadays's girls must be available in the market on this planet, go out and paintings. How do we steadiness all of it?
First of all, we do not want feminism or 'masculinism'. We need human nature to conform. Humanity should overflow, now not masculinity or feminity. Otherwise, you might be simply skewing lifestyles. If girls have to achieve nowadays's international, why are we considering of hanging a lady in a man's international and asking her to be successful? Why don't we redesign the world in some way that works for everyone? That may not happen overnight. We want to take a look at it sensitively and spot what is wanted. Success nowadays relies now not on muscle strength, but the skill of your mind. We're getting there. We simply want to keep at it, fairly than asking our girls to grow to be like males.